hagel co talks about the limits of power. guest: one of the conditions that president obama and his team said, a lot of demands and expectations around the world. a lot of challenges. america's role is to not challenge the foes, but to be dependable for the allies. i think one of the real challenges is when you think strategically. when you had the middle east crisis, you had rising problems with north korea. that is what chuck hagel is talking about. you need to figure out how, given the limitations, it can matter in certain places. that is a realistic assessment. part of the role of the united states is to go into the interior to redesign and so there are less a threat to the united states. when you have limited power, it makes someone like chuck tickle very skeptical of the ability of the united states to do that -- chuck hagel very skeptical of the ability of united states to do that. when he traveled with president obama, a think this was part of this discussion. host: what relationship does carry schmidt and senator hag